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Froggy Storm
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Posted - 2014.07.20 07:43:00 -
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If we were to drink the koolaid here and agree. Then for the sake of balance, once you've passed the 3 month date then everyone must leave hisec.
The fact that the majority of players are in hisec is reflective of it being too easy to eek out a living there. So as a result the gankers move to where the herds are.
Push the fish out of the barrel and people won't have to come there to shoot them. And as a side effect you get stronger bigger fish and better fishermen to catch them. |
Froggy Storm
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Posted - 2014.07.22 12:20:00 -
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Op, firstly you make claims to have alts everywhere. Might I suggest a post from an admitted sock puppet loses much of it's credibility.
Next, the complaint sited that it is too easy to gank, despite having the power of gankers cut time and again while the (potential) survivability of gank targets across the board makes a call for further reduction to nonconsented PvP quite ludicrous.
As stated, anyone at -5 already can be disrupted in their actions by anyone who has a little situational awareness and bravery to do so.
As stated, even a rudimentary tank vastly improves gank survival and avoidance. This quickly pushes the cost to value ratio (isk tank) out of reach for for profit ganks.
So you seem to be yelling at the rain for being allowed to make horrid choices. Complaining that you were given the tools and not forced to use them so someone else should be (further) penalized to compensate for that.
Pardon my ironic reply suggesting that if you are going to make hisec into a fish hatchery with near perfect safety, keeping fisherman out of the fish hatchery necessitates stocking the streams somehow. |
Froggy Storm
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:48:00 -
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Or a MWO match. |
Froggy Storm
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Posted - 2014.07.26 22:08:00 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:Froggy Storm wrote:Or a MWO match. Meh. Hawken is better. As is War Thunder.
Now that PGI has put in a decent weight matching for #pug matches it has improved quite a lot. Also the clan mechs are a ton of fun without completely pushing balance off.
Now PGI just needs to fix its community organization issues and follow through with the planned poptartfix.
Prolly I am just naively hoping for a beloved IP to pull out of the down slide before its time.
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Froggy Storm
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Posted - 2014.08.05 21:13:00 -
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An interesting notion comes to mind with all this talk of -0.5 and balancing actions against criminal elements. Why is there no counter balancing force for people who are +0.5?
Maybe make it so that concord won't respond to such paragons of truth and justice. The actual new players need their help and all that so those who've worked against piracy long enough to get to +0.5 can stand on their own two feet right?
Seems as legit as having concord jump on -0.5 just for being there. And then you'll see the ironic "anti gank" alt for the hardest of bears to keep their sec status down |
Froggy Storm
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Posted - 2014.08.07 02:28:00 -
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Damon Messer wrote:Froggy Storm wrote:An interesting notion comes to mind with all this talk of -0.5 and balancing actions against criminal elements. Why is there no counter balancing force for people who are +0.5?
Maybe make it so that concord won't respond to such paragons of truth and justice. The actual new players need their help and all that so those who've worked against piracy long enough to get to +0.5 can stand on their own two feet right?
Seems as legit as having concord jump on -0.5 just for being there. And then you'll see the ironic "anti gank" alt for the hardest of bears to keep their sec status down so if I have 0.5 or higher sec standing i can gank without concord coming?! if that happens you're the first person im going after.
That isn't exactly what I said, but I like your idea better. Let's really make the sec grind worth it if you can then gank one target with impunity.
As for ganking me, you'll have to wait as were currently deployed to the south. But when that's done with vale is only a dozen gates or so from Jita and you're welcome to come say hello.
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Froggy Storm
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Posted - 2014.09.04 02:58:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:Suicide gankers do have it far too easy in EVE. Seems pretty unfair to everyone else who has to take risks for their rewards. The opposite is true. You know what's unfair? That people actually have to take it upon themselves to punish those who don't play the game correctly. That the game in and of itself is so easy that you can just afk autopilot through all of highsec, and if a player doesn't kill you, nothing will. They should implement rats that gatecamp in highsec. That'd solve that problem nicely.
Now that is an idea that could be fun. Make it part of the whole empire losing its grip narrative as well. Make most gates a running battle between rats and faction police entities such that players need to be even more aware of the status of gates at all times. *gasp* Maybe even scouting in hisec will become a thing!! |
Froggy Storm
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Posted - 2014.09.04 06:17:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Froggy Storm wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:Suicide gankers do have it far too easy in EVE. Seems pretty unfair to everyone else who has to take risks for their rewards. The opposite is true. You know what's unfair? That people actually have to take it upon themselves to punish those who don't play the game correctly. That the game in and of itself is so easy that you can just afk autopilot through all of highsec, and if a player doesn't kill you, nothing will. They should implement rats that gatecamp in highsec. That'd solve that problem nicely. Now that is an idea that could be fun. Make it part of the whole empire losing its grip narrative as well. Make most gates a running battle between rats and faction police entities such that players need to be even more aware of the status of gates at all times. *gasp* Maybe even scouting in hisec will become a thing!! Make burner mission rats spawn on gates.
Oh that's even better! Every gate turns into a smash and grab demo derby to put jita to shame!
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Froggy Storm
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Posted - 2014.09.09 00:23:00 -
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The only way to win is not to play then? |
Froggy Storm
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Posted - 2014.09.23 06:20:00 -
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Just put a moratorium on activation of any high slot module. Heck don't even have to do any special code or mechanic changes. Tie all highslot modules to the safety system. If you turn one on, be it a miner, gun, or link then you go suspect. Problems are all solved. |
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Froggy Storm
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Posted - 2014.09.24 13:23:00 -
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Honestly, by your own logic, if gank pilots are so "risk adverse" then one moa per system would make them as unwilling to engage as you seem to be. Since you agree that is nonsense perhaps the term "aversion" isn't the one you are actually looking for.
Additionally, if you are unwilling to put yourself at any risk except by engaging targets that are under the concord hammer of justice, why is it poor game play for your opponents to take similar steps by only engaging soft targets?
In fact the entire argument seems predicated on criticizing their game play goals while largely embracing the same core methodology. |
Froggy Storm
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Posted - 2014.09.24 14:58:00 -
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So what we are really seeing is that you think an expesive ship should only be at risk to an equally expensive one. It isn't about ganking at all but about how dare the game allow game play where the wealthy can be harmed by those beneath their station.
This is a tracking titan thread isn't it? |
Froggy Storm
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Posted - 2014.09.24 19:41:00 -
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In light of the responses Mr Veers, and giving you the benefit of any doubt about being deliberately obtuse, the only logical suggestion would be that you should in fact be playing in NPC nul.
1) The risk reward (especially for mordus legion) is substantially higher than anything in high sec. There by making your own margins better. While still being at constant risk of attack from gankers.
2) The risk management for yourself is considerably better since all players there will attack you, and only with ships of value comniserate to your own. Thus you don't need to worry after who the spies are since all probes are hostile and require a response.
3) By using ships of value (specifically T3 cruisers) you have even more tools on your side for risk management in terms of cloak and nullifier to give you tools on your side. Making them virtually impossible to catch by normal means.
And finally it goes a very long way towards your own 'not playing the game' stawman sticking to yourself. |
Froggy Storm
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Posted - 2014.09.28 10:26:00 -
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Might I suggest a little less of the aforementioned "3rd grade econ" and a bit more of 101 level philosophy.
http://www.logicalfallacies.info
Also please note the use of the fallacy in the suggesting that 3rd graders learn Economics specifically. |
Froggy Storm
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Posted - 2014.09.28 10:42:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Froggy Storm wrote:Might I suggest a little less of the aforementioned "3rd grade econ" and a bit more of 101 level philosophy. http://www.logicalfallacies.infoAlso please note the use of the fallacy in the suggesting that 3rd graders learn Economics specifically. Psssshhhhh Froggy! we know about that, we were playing Logical Fallacies Bingo, here is your card, shout bingo when you see veers fill that sheet in a single thread 
I just wish I could stop missing the lightning round discussions. Quick back and forth for almost a full page, then wham screeching halt as soon as I post. (Not a logical conclusion but one of perception)
Makes me think I am that guy at the party who serially kills every conversion. |
Froggy Storm
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Posted - 2014.09.28 10:49:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Froggy Storm wrote:Might I suggest a little less of the aforementioned "3rd grade econ" and a bit more of 101 level philosophy. http://www.logicalfallacies.infoAlso please note the use of the fallacy in the suggesting that 3rd graders learn Economics specifically. Actually the point was that 3rd graders learn Economics among many other subjects, and that the other posters here had not even internalized that level of knowledge. But do enjoy trying to fill up your bingo card *eyeroll* - it should be amusing considering that I never make any fallacious arguments.
Clearly the teaching of third graders, presumably preteen, economics is a hyperbolic statement to claim "this is so simple even a cave man can do it"
That is a logical fallasy. Q.E.D.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.E.D. |
Froggy Storm
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Posted - 2014.09.28 10:55:00 -
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Again that is the basis of your chosen logic fault. You suggested in explicit terms at least twice that a third grader should know what arbitrage is. (False logic) And that since someone didn't know what that meant (not proven) the rest of their discussion was then invalid though not related (false logic) Which then begs the analysis of "I don't use any faulty logic" which by itself is virtually impossible. |
Froggy Storm
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Posted - 2014.09.28 11:16:00 -
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Dwissi wrote:Froggy Storm wrote:If we were to drink the koolaid here and agree. Then for the sake of balance, once you've passed the 3 month date then everyone must leave hisec.
The fact that the majority of players are in hisec is reflective of it being too easy to eek out a living there. So as a result the gankers move to where the herds are.
Push the fish out of the barrel and people won't have to come there to shoot them. And as a side effect you get stronger bigger fish and better fishermen to catch them. I dare to counter your argument - it should be the other way around. New players should start in low sec and earn their right to stay in a protected environment. That would eliminate the false expectations everyone has of high sec right away by not even starting to educate them in a 'safe' environment. The same concept has been applied to many other pvp related games and works fine - it would do so as well in Eve. A 'new player tag' could be easily applied to them for x-days to prevent podding them - but they would lose stuff and learn how the reality is right away.
An interesting proposal. Though perhaps a bit extreme in scope. Perhaps a tutorial mission string that requires a trip to low sec? Make the completion of said mission string commiserate to that of one of the story arc missions. Heck lead right into the SoE epic arc. There by showing new players that with higher risk should/could come higher rewards. |
Froggy Storm
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Posted - 2014.09.29 02:46:00 -
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As a layman in terms of higher than "3rd grade" economic principles, can someone explain is 1st grade terms how to get run away inflation and deflation at the same time? |
Froggy Storm
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Posted - 2014.10.02 18:29:00 -
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Clearly, a true patriot never let's facts stand in the way of belief. |
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